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Friday, May 4th, 2012 07:48 am
I also have been thinking aboutnthe Bechdel test for a long time.  This is the test: are there two (named) female characters?  Do they talk to each other? About something other than a man?

But I don't pass it all the time. Or hardly ever, because of the tight-third single male protagonist and few other characters issue.  And why do I write that way,  anyhow?  I'd prefer to indicate a rich, complex world outside the narrow focus of the problems of my main characters.  And why are my main characters almost always male?  I did have a kind of huge case of gender dysphoria as a young girl -- it never made sense to me that I was a girl, for the longest time, though that gradually went away until some time in my teens I looked around and thought "hey, I don't feel that way anymore.  I wonder why?"  So maybe that has to do with my characters almost always being gay men, I don't know.  Maybe not, though.

I actually have a chapter title in one of my gay-romance bagatelles "This chapter passes the Bechdel Test."  The story, which is meant to be a screwball comedy romance but is almost universally read as a heavy angst sobfest with a moderately happy ending in sight (no, not that one, the WIP), is set within the kind of complex overla[pping mildly incestuous friendship network I spent my youth in.  There are two women who originally set the story rolling by meeting at a brunch and realizing they have friends who both need roommates.  As the story progresses, they're developing a friendship of their own, independent of their relationship to these men.  One of them is trying to buy an art gallery and the building it's in, and in that chapter and in subsequent chapters that's what they talk about.  There's a bit of sexual tension between these women, but I believe that in the long run, they're going to end up with different people, because it's just too neat to pair everybody off all the time, and my stories are not neat.  Anyway, I object to the notion that everybody who becomes close friends has to end up lovers.

So the tally.

I don't have a lot of traditional publishing credits so I'm just thinking about the stories I am thinking about.  I don't know if there's going to be a selection bias that matters.

fictionpress stories
passes:
  -Royalty
  -A Suitable Lover
 -Not At All Like Paco (is it cheating if two of the three speaking characters are not assigned a traditional gender but one of them is heavily implied to be a woman? The third is a biologically unsurprising woman)
fails
  -Trying Hard (there are only two speaking characters)
  -No For an Answer/Mr. Sly (Mr. Sly should be part of No For an Answer)
 -The Raw and the Cooked
 -The Rubaiyyat of Omar Camacho
 -I'm With the Band
fails, but female characters either speak to male characters about things of substance or indirect knowledge is presented about female characters having conversations about things other than men
 -Esperanza Highway
 -Prospect Road
 -Sissy and Buddy and the Whole Nine Yards
 -The Man of His Dreams (which seriously needs a new title, more on the line of Goodwater)

Not-Poland:
 -The Drummer Boy has a tight-third male pov, but the conversations that are reported to him or overheard by him include a bunch of things said by or to his sister about trees, genetics, mathematics, bicycles, the university she wants to go to, inheritance and marriage concerns, etc.  Also her nurse/governess talks about these things.  And the Duchess talks about a bunch of medieval claptrap that doesn't all directly involve particular men.
-The hundred years after story (which I'm not calling Seeing the Light anymore because that was just too stupid, now I'm calling it The Greenest Boy in Town) just completely fails.  Not a single female character except, indirectly, the protagonist's mother, who is notable mainly for not having told the protagonist anything important or true.

The Donor fails. Nobody ever has a conversation that isn't actually about Eurick, who is a man.

A Song for the Dead -- I'd have to go back and read the manuscript but I believe that, in fact, the two young women do appear in it and talk about the one young woman's future irrespective of the men involved.  In the other book that goes with it, The Calling, this definitely happens, as the younger sister's future is the main motivation for the older sister and for the brother.

Okay, I'm, not going to think about anything older than The Calling.

other bits:

Wink -- fails, I guess.  Since nobody has an unambiguous gender.

John Brown's Body -- fails.

Okay, so I fail the Bechdel test the majority of the time, and I care about it.  It makes me wonder about what I'm writing about, and what I want to be writing about.



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Wednesday, April 18th, 2012 08:17 am
So a hundred years ago little boys wore pink ("light red" -- the word "pink" usually meant a particular range of light red colors at the time) and little girls wore baby blue.  Though colors in general were less gendered, and you just did not see the monochromatic pallettes for small children you see now.

So if I put little Yanek into light blue trousers, in context, they are not exactly "girl's clothes," but they are less manly for the time than a pink baby dress (assuming he's three or under when he's wearing the baby dress and older than that when he's wearing the trousers).  But a modern reader would see a graduation from a pink baby dress into a pair of blue trousers as a strong affirmation of his little masculinity.

I think I'm leaving the blue trousers in as an easter egg, and giving them another cue.  It doesn't matter.  The very fact of never being breeched by his caregivers and having to dig up his own trousers years after he ought to have been wearing them is enough to hint that he's going to be struggling and fighting for his manhood. 

Why, yes, I too am surprised that a thread of the book is apparently about masculinity, a subject that doesn't usually interest me much.  How did that happen?  I guess just because I realised that the conditions of Yanek's life kind of lead him in that direction.  Also could have to do with some other stuff I'm suddenly feeling like being coy about, and his two childhood nicknames -- Panachek (little man) and Palachek (Tom Thumb).

Yeah, and I have done away with the little antennas on letters and replaced them wuith dumb-English style spellings because this is a fantasy world and nobody's actually speaking a real particular Western Slavic language.
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Sunday, July 4th, 2010 11:13 am
Two of the annoying things that keep popping up about writing are (1) an irrational hatred of the passive vocie coupled with a complete ignorance as to what the passive voice actually is: and (2) blather about gender and writing style.  They've come together in a recent<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/29/AR2010062903997_pf.html"> idiotic essay by Kathleen Parker</a> about President Obama, and you can read the takedown <a href="http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2427">here</a> at Language Log as usual.

You are all reading Language Log, right?

You better be!
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Saturday, October 17th, 2009 02:28 pm
Every so often somebody comes trolling around with a link to the Gender Genie.

(It's here)

Here's my results. I got bored after six pieces of fiction I wrote.

Female Score: 7677
Male Score: 6376

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Female Score: 6887
Male Score: 7765

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: male!

Female Score: 186588
Male Score: 154431

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Female Score: 4760
Male Score: 6158

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: male!

Female Score: 16813
Male Score: 16869

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: male!

Female Score: 15482
Male Score: 15121

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!

Notice, um, the result is? 50%. A quack mentalist could do better than that looking at the wear on my eraser.
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Monday, February 19th, 2007 03:21 pm
Scalzi went and did the gender genie, and was smug about the answers he got -- he put in something he wrote from a female perspective and got a female answer -- so naturally, since I ought to be doing a dozen other things, I did too, and got the result that my fiction -- four samples -- came out male, and my blog entry, female.

Well, I've been writing about men, here lately.
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